Escaping Apostate Church Judgements (2) - David Eells - UBBS 11.17.2024

Escaping Apostate Church Judgments (2)

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David Eells 11/17/24

The Whole Counsel of God or Death

The following wonderful vision was given to Brother L. Vere Elliot, after a time of earnest struggle in prayer for a new spiritual revival and an outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

In a vision I was in the midst of a great meeting hall. The walls and ceiling were covered with jewels and ornaments everywhere. The windows were made of colored glass. The hall was full of people -- some were rich, some poor, some sick and crippled, some deaf, mute and blind -- but all had handcuffs and no one was free. (Apostate religious system)

In front of the meeting hall there was a large platform with a pulpit on one side and a large cage in which there was a huge green serpent on the other side. (They believe the serpent is subdued because they go to church.) Hanging in the air between those two things, there was a tremendously large sword suspended horizontally and fastened with two strings hanging down from the ceiling. At each end of the sword there was a string; just behind there was a row of eight or 10 men clothed in clergy-type robes, sitting one behind the other, each one seated a little above the one before him. (The Nicolaitan Pastors.)

The assembly looked at these men and the men looked upon the assembly. There was a silence for a while, until a thundering voice sounded from the pulpit, as if it came directly from God: "Who will declare the whole counsel of God?" The first clergyman arose with a Bible in his hand. When he did so, the old green serpent uncoiled and stretched out, hissing against the man, with sparkling eyes and protruding fangs. The man of God (falsely so-called) sank back into his seat and placed his Bible under his chair. (They fear to go beyond their religion) The serpent then stretched up its head to touch the sword (which the man was standing under when he spoke to the people), saying, "With this, I shall kill you if you obey the voice of God". Then, for a little while, there was silence again.

Again the voice sounded from the pulpit, "Who will declare the whole counsel of God?" At that time, the second man in a clergy-type robe arose, as if he would step forward, but again the serpent uncoiled against the man and he tumbled back with fear. The man sat down and placed his Bible under his chair. Then the serpent touched the sword again with the same previous remark, "With this, I shall kill you if you obey the voice of God".

For the third time, the voice from the pulpit thundered and the third man arose and sat down just like the two before him. Again and again, the voice sounded until each one of the clergymen had their own opportunity to resist the serpent but, like the first three, fear overcame them all. Then the serpent smiled with an evil smile. Oh, what a vicious, snake-like smile it was.

The voice then sounded again from the pulpit, "Oh, if there were a man. Oh, if there were a man. Oh, if there were a man who would declare the whole counsel of God, that these chained men might be set free. Is there not one man?"

The first clergyman then took up a notebook full of written sermons; it appeared as if he would preach from the notebook but he was stuck to his chair and endeavored in vain to arise. A man, little in stature, ascended the platform and stood under the sword. He lifted his eyes toward heaven and said, "Into thy hands, O God, I commit my spirit". He then opened the Bible and read, not adding anything to it nor taking anything away. The man spoke as a man having authority. When the man had finished, the old serpent stretched up to the sword and cut off the one string with its fangs. The sword swung down but passed over the head of the man of God because he was a man "little of stature". (He was humble to God.) The weight of the sword caused the other string to break, flinging the sword back, piercing the hearts of the clergymen, and nailing all of them to the wall. A great scream of despair sounded from the platform but an even greater scream of joy sounded from the assembly, for every man's chain was loosed, setting them free! (As it was and is with the Pharisees and Jesus.)

When this vision had vanished (it was truly a reality to me and all those who were together with me in the prayer room), I saw another vision of the Savior in a cloud, just above my head. He spoke, saying, "Hear, my son, the meaning of these things. The meeting hall which you saw is the secularized church, having a form of piety but denying the power of it. They are all covered with jewels of the joys of this world and there is no end of their silver and gold. The people whom you saw are those for which I died but my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. They have eyes but not to see; they have ears but not to hear. They are truly in bondage and must be set free".

"The platform which you saw, on where the clergymen were sitting, is preconceived ideas, having their origin from the pit of hell. The pulpit is the throne of God and the serpent is old Lucifer himself, who, because of his pride, has set himself up as ruler over the church, since he could not be equal to Me in heaven".

"The sword which you saw is the Word of God and the strings on which it was hanging represent the power of the Word to give life and the power of the Word to take life. Life was given to the man who was of little stature. Life was taken from the clergymen who did not preach the word".

"The clergymen whom you saw are men from every church which pretend to know Me but they teach my people things which are not written in the Book of Life. Their pride, presumption and worldly spirit force them to obey Satan, who is a liar and the father of lies. Each of the clergymen tries to exceed the other in eloquence, in extensive writings, argumentations and the like but they only consider the letter of the Word. They leave out the Spirit of the Word. The day comes, and is now at hand, when they shall all likewise perish".

After having considered this horrible scene, the Lord spoke again with these words: "Do you remember my words in the prophecy of Jeremiah, chapter 23, as well as my words in the prophecy of Ezekiel, chapter 34? Read!" I opened my Bible and read: (Jer.23:1) Woe unto the shepherds that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith Jehovah. (14) In the prophets of Jerusalem also I have seen a horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies; and they strengthen the hands of evil-doers, so that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them become unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. (20) ….At the end of the days ye shall understand it clearly.

(Eze.34:2) …Woe unto the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the sheep? (4) The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought back that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with rigor have ye ruled over them. (16) …but the fat and the strong I will destroy; I will feed them in justice.

Then He said to me, "These false shepherds shall in no way escape when the sword falls upon them but my sheep must be warned. They must be set free". Again, He said, "Do you remember My words in the prophecy of Jeremiah, in the latter part of chapter 25? Read!" So I read these words: (Jer.25:33 And the slain of Jehovah shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:... (34) Wail, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow in ashes, ye principal of the flock; for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are fully come,…

Then He said to me, "These days shall come quickly. The shepherds shall howl, yea! There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth but when the sword has fallen, it will be too late forever.

The man whom you saw that was of little stature is every man or woman (Was added, doesn’t fit the context or the Word) who will humble himself and be obedient, even unto the death of the cross; putting his trust in God and going forward, declaring the whole counsel of God. Oh, if I could find such a man; can you tell Me where there is one? With such a man I could shake heaven and earth".

Now I’d like to share a word with you about:

 

 

The Bulls of Bashan

David Eells

The Lord has shown me a lot about the Saul ministries, and I’d like to share with you a few of those experiences the Lord has given me. I had asked the Lord, “Where are we, Lord?” and the Lord gave me 1Ch.10:1-6. Now the Philistines fought against Israel: and the men of Israel fled from before the Philistines, and fell down slain in mount Gilboa. 2 And the Philistines followed hard after Saul and after his sons; and the Philistines slew Jonathan, and Abinadab, and Malchi-shua, the sons of Saul.

3 And the battle went sore against Saul, and the archers overtook him; and he was distressed by reason of the archers. 4 Then said Saul unto his armor-bearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith, lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me. But his armor-bearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took his sword, and fell upon it. 5 And when his armor-bearer saw that Saul was dead, he likewise fell upon his sword, and died. 6 So Saul died, and his three sons; and all his house died together.

Before the David ministry, there was the Saul ministry. It was that Saul ministry who lost their battle with the inhabitants of the land, with the fleshly man, the old man who lived in the land, and this old man represented their carnal nature, their carnal flesh. So they lost their battle primarily because Saul prepared to lose this battle. He refused to obey the Lord and put to death the previous inhabitants of the land and he refused to put to death their king, Agag, for which God basically cursed him.

God gave Saul no authority; instead, the inhabitants of the land came back and conquered him and conquered all the people who followed him. Saul led them to disaster. He led them to lose the battle against what’s typed there as their old flesh. Today we also have a ministry that’s basically thinking that the old flesh cannot be overcome and that it’s not really necessary to overcome because we’re forgiven. But they miss the plan of God. David’s gift to be able to conquer the people of God’s enemies was because David had put to death his old man, Goliath, and taken off his head. He’d taken off the mind of the flesh. He did exactly the opposite of what Saul did and was given the victory.

Now, the Lord told me many years ago that He was moving the Sauls out of the way and making room for the Davids and I was one of His Davids. By, “moving the Sauls out of the way” He didn’t necessarily mean they were going to be physically killed, but that they were spiritually dying. There is no defense against the enemy when you’re spiritually dead, twice dead, plucked up by the roots (Jud.12). And he called them “shepherds” in Jude. He said that they were twice dead, plucked up by the roots because you can be twice born, but die again. You can be born again and die again.

So what does the Lord mean by “moving the Sauls out of the way”? Well, He meant for the elect, for the people of God who were to go on and to be the elect, that this false leadership over them was going to be brought to decimation and disrespect among them, be made dead to them. And after the Lord spoke that revelation to me, as a matter of fact, the same day it came on the news that one of the most, if not the most, famous minister in America had been caught red-handed in fornication. That was just the beginning of a long chain of ministers who fell by the wayside after being caught doing this and doing that. And it’s still happening today.

I want to share a revelation I received concerning this same minister who fell that first day. God gave me a very vivid dream. I’ve shared it before but maybe some of you haven’t heard it. I was standing on a mountain, looking down the side of this mountain, and I saw a construction crew very plainly putting up those real high-tension poles that they use for the high-tension wires, to bring a power line over the top of this mountain, and I believe the mountain represented the Kingdom of God. So they were coming up the side of this mountain and, while they were doing that, I looked down beside me and there was an old cow lying on the ground.

It was very shriveled up and very much on the edge of death. And so while I’m standing there looking at this, a construction worker comes up on a backhoe with a front-end loader. He scoops this old cow up and started moving the cow out of the way, but not before I reached down beside the cow and picked up a big baby boy. I mean he was a handful! A big baby boy. I knew that this baby boy had been birthed from that cow. And so, the front-end loader picks up the cow and starts carrying the cow off, while I have this big baby boy, I walk over and get on an escalator going up. While I was on the escalator, I looked beside me, and there was a woman with a normal-sized baby boy. She looks at this big baby in my arms and she says, “That looks like a real baby boy.” And I said, “Yeah, and I wonder how that’s possible,” as I was looking over at this front-end loader carrying the cow off. My thought was, “How is this possible, that this could come out of that?”

So let me share the interpretation with you. The Lord impressed me that the power line that’s coming, the great power that’s coming, is not going to come through the organizational churches as they are today. They are dying like the Saul ministry. The Saul ministry has brought great destruction to the churches through lack of truth, lack of putting the Amalekites to death, the old man to death, through lack of leading God’s people to put the old man to death. There’s great destruction. Death has come. We can see that in 1 Chronicles 10:1-6. Saul and all of the house that was under him, along with all the people whom he led in the war against the man of flesh, the old man, all died. And so this old cow was on the verge of death and I believe the Lord showed me it represented the apostate religious Christian institutions of men dying, passing off the scene.

God is refusing to share His power with or minister His power through these people, so, He’s moving them out of the way. This is a repetition of what happened in Jesus’ day. In His day there was a powerless bunch of people there who were considering themselves the people of God, yet they were dying. And He said to them, except ye believe that I am [he,] (or, literally, “I am”) ye shall die in your sins (Joh.8:24). They were doing it. They were dying in their sins and their Saul ministry was dying along with them. But Jesus got a little remnant out of those people, didn’t He? The disciples who came out of the apostate denominations of Judaism followed him. He went into the sheepfold, He called them by name and He called them out, and they followed Him.

That’s what this vision was all about. This vision that the Lord gave me is a modern-day re-enactment of that. The old cow represents that system of worshiping the golden calf, but now we’re seeing the end result of it: death. And the old cow was drying up, shriveled up and dying, but out of that cow, God plans on bringing forth fruit. That big baby boy represented the fruit that God is going to get out of this system. A multitude of people are going to come out of the system because God also has a Man-child ministry ready to lead them. They’re going to come out to follow Christ in this Man-child ministry, just like those early disciples did.

Jesus came in a body of David – a son of David. He was Son of man and Son of God. Jesus came in that body and the Bible tells us the same thing about Him coming in these days. He’s going to come to be glorified in his saints, and to be marvelled at in all them that believed (because our testimony unto you was believed) in that day (2Th.1:10). Paul, looking down the road to our day, was seeing that Jesus was going to come in His people and “be glorified in His saints.” Praise God! That’s exactly what the Bible teaches in 2Co.3:18. But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord (which is Christ in us), are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit.

So the first-fruits of these people to come into this place are those who are believing that they can because they believe it’s a promised Word of God. That’s the reason they’re going to be the first-fruits to come into this. They’re ready to take a fruit that’s born from this old, corrupt, dead system and bring it up the escalator just Like Jesus did. The escalator represents a rest; it’s not stairs or steps. Steps are something that you have to work to go up, but an escalator is something that works for you. And this is what God is going to do. This is supernatural. This is going to be His power, meaning we’re going to get to rest in His power to bring it to pass!

God also pointed out to me that the cow represents this system because a cow eats grass. And the Apostle Peter said that all flesh is as grass (1Pe.1:24). The “cow system” of Saul only devours grass; in other words, they only a fleshly understanding of the Word. They don’t have eyes to see in the Spirit, just like the Pharisees and the people under them had no eyes to see in the Spirit. Jesus spoke of that in Matthew 13:13,14. They had no eyes and no ears, and so this cow only partakes of a fleshly understanding of the Word and is only able to feed someone milk, which is for babies. The only thing you can get that’s truthful out of this apostate system is milk and most of the time they don’t have that right.

So where we are headed is to the meat. Jesus said, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me (Joh.4:34), meaning to do the Will of My Father. And God’s people are going to do just that. We’re coming into a day when the people who come … out from among them (2Co.6:17) like those early disciples did, are going to do the Will of God. They’re going to walk in the steps of Jesus Christ. History always repeats. (Ecc.1:9) That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. I believe going up on the escalator represents getting closer and closer to God, becoming more and more Godly, and overcoming the world beneath. The power to do that is not coming to the old cow; the power is coming to the fruit that’s born out of the old cow.

Back to the vision. As we were going up this escalator, the scene changed and I saw a vision of myself going into a meeting. In this meeting, I looked around and I saw just about all the famous preachers in America, including the man I mentioned previously. The one who fell the very day the Lord told me that, “I’m moving the Sauls out of the way and making room for the Davids.” I believe that this man is going to be one of the few who may repent, which is the reason I don’t mention his name.

You know, in Jesus’ day, very few people repented. However, I received a dream about this man repenting and knowing about our ministry, talking about it favorably and so on, and I thought, “Oh, praise God!” You know, I would love to see them all repent. It’s not going to happen, but I would love to see them all repent. The overwhelming majority of the Saul ministry is never going to repent. In the New Testament, we have a Saul who became a Paul. He repented, so we know that there is a small minority of people who will. There’s a type and shadow for that.

Continuing with this revelation, I went into this conference with these famous ministers. Now, I’m not a famous minister, but I went there and this man left the crowd and walked over to me and he had some papers in his hand. They were all rolled up and he handed them to me like he was passing something on to me, and when they hit my hand, I heard the voice of the Lord say, “This is his propaganda about what he has accomplished.” And I understood that this man fell because he thought he was really irreplaceable, because of what he’d been doing for the Kingdom, the great success that he thought he was having for the Kingdom.

But, you know, any success that we have doesn’t come from us. We can’t take any credit for it. It’s by grace and it’s by God. If we think we’re irreplaceable, we’re all wrong because God said he can raise up stones to take our place. He doesn’t need us, we need Him, and that’s the whole point: we need Him. It’s by His grace that we stand. Anything that’s accomplished, He’s the One Who accomplishes it, not us. He uses this body. We, by grace, are used by God to do things and He can do it with anyone else. He doesn’t need us. He can use the next guy just as easily. God wants us, God loves us and we are valuable to Him, but He doesn’t need us. If you say He needs us because He wants us, well, that’s true, I agree, but don’t think you’re irreplaceable because you’re not. Neither am I.

So I knew the reason that this man fell was because of the word that the Lord gave to me. The Lord showed me he thought, “Well, I’m entitled to more. I’m entitled to have a fling. I’ve done so much for the Kingdom and so many people have been saved,” and so on.

The Lord revealed to me that these men were the “bulls of Bashan.” We see the ‘bulls of Bashan’ in this prophecy: (Psa.22:12) Many bulls have compassed me; Strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. (13) They gape upon me with their mouth, [As] a ravening and as a roaring lion. And some of you may recognize this prophecy as speaking about Jesus. These leaders were called the “bulls of Bashan” because they were the ones who sowed their seed in the cow. We know the seed in the Bible is the Word, right? The reason Saul led his people to destruction at the hand of the Philistines is because of the teaching that he gave them. His leadership was faulty because he was not led of the Lord. And we’ll look at that, too, but first I want to point out that the “bulls of Bashan” is a prophecy.

David was not only a Psalmist but he was a prophet and in many of his prophecies he was speaking about himself. In this chapter, he was speaking about himself, but he was also speaking about Jesus and about the Man-child of our day because history just keeps repeating with larger and larger groups of people. For instance, if we go back to the beginning of the chapter, it says, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Psa.22:1), we may recognize it because Jesus quoted it in Matthew 27:46. As a matter of fact, a lot of Psalm 22 is in Matthew 27.

So we recognize that as Jesus, Who was on His Cross and being crucified. We know that our Lord was crucified after 3½ years of ministry and that He was a literal Man-child. The Man-child that’s coming now is a spiritual Man-child, meaning the death that the spiritual Man-child is going to die is spiritual. It’s a death to self. It’s a crucifixion at the hands of a lot of wicked, false leadership. In Jesus’ day the leadership was the Pharisees, Sadducees, Zealots, other leadership, and the Sanhedrin false prophet; this leadership was crucifying Jesus and using the Roman government to do it.

Is it going to happen in our day? Yes, it’s going to happen, but in a spiritual way. We understand that the natural fulfillment comes first, then the spiritual. Paul teaches this in 1Co 15:46 Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual. Prophecies are usually first fulfilled naturally and then later, spiritually, they’re fulfilled again. Well, here we see Jesus going to His Cross and so shall the Man-child.

(Psa.22:8) Commit [thyself] unto the Lord; let him deliver him: Let him rescue him, seeing he delighteth in him. The religious leaders were saying the same thing at the foot of the Cross. (Mat.27:43) He trusteth on God; let him deliver him now, if he desireth him…. Let the Lord save Him, if He wants to save Him. But the strong bulls of Bashan were these religious leaders who had ruled over that cow system and led their people to death and destruction. It’s happening now that God is going to get a group of people out of there; a remnant is going to go on and go into the presence of God. But we see there’s also going to be persecution against the Man-child at the hands of these Saul leaders.

Verse 16 is very similar to verse 12, about the bulls of Bashan. (Psa.22:16) For dogs (God calls these apostate leaders greedy “dogs.”) have compassed me: A company of evil-doers have inclosed me; They pierced my hands and my feet. This is obviously the crucifixion of the Man-child being spoken of here, at the hands of the Saul ministry, the Pharisee ministry, and the Eli ministry. (Psa.22:18) They part my garments among them, And upon my vesture do they cast lots. That’s Matthew 27:35 again. We can see the fulfillment all the way down through (Psa.22:22) I will declare thy name unto my brethren: In the midst of the assembly will I praise thee. And Jesus did this.

So we see that this bulls of Bashan prophecy is something that was fulfilled in Jesus’ day, but also in the Man-child’s day in our time, it’s going to be fulfilled with a great persecution raised up at the hands of the apostate Saul ministry. As you know, Saul persecuted David. He attempted to kill David and crucified him in many ways. Saul spoke against him, he led Israel against him, but, of course, God preserved him. God anointed David to fight the battles of Israel while he was in the wilderness and even before he was anointed king.

And so the story back in 1 Chronicles 10 is very much going to be fulfilled in our time with the old cow, and it’s got to be moved out of the way for the real power to come. The real power, in this case, was David who followed Saul after Saul’s death in chapter 10. David was anointed king over all Israel. I just wanted to tell you that this Saul leadership is going to destruction for all but those who repent and come out of it. Those who are under it, under submission to it, are being called to come out of it now.

Jesus’ ministry was to call a remnant out of apostate Israel to come and follow Him and go to the Kingdom of God. And, once again, the Man-child’s ministry today is the same because Jesus is being manifested in the Man-child ministry by Word and Spirit. Jesus said this would happen, too in (Joh.16:21) A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but when she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for the joy that a man is born into the world. (22) And ye therefore now have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no one taketh away from you. He said a baby boy would once again be born to a woman; and, He said, “I’ll see you again.” And He is! He’s coming to feed His sheep, shepherd His sheep. Praise be to God! We’re looking forward to all that, aren’t we? Praise be to God!

So this old cow dying is talking about this apostate system of what we call Christianity around us. It’s all going to a crucifixion; it’s all dying. It’s dying basically at the hands of their own flesh; dying because they haven’t been taught that this old man has to die, as we know. I was thinking about those bulls of Bashan and how “bull” could be short for “baloney” because, I’ll tell you, they have a lot of baloney with them. I remember a fellow back when I used to be an apprentice for Exxon many, many years ago before I knew the Lord. This guy worked alongside me for about three years and he would faithfully bring his bologna sandwiches to work. I mean, they were just bologna between two pieces of white bread. He’d bring two of them to work every day.

And I asked him, “Don’t you eat vegetables?” “No,” he said, “I don’t like ‘em.” So I asked again, “Is the only thing you like bologna?” “Yeah, I like bologna.” Then I asked, “How can you live on bologna? Don’t you know what that stuff is, man? That’s not the best stuff in the world. It’s what’s left over when the butcher uses all the stuff for other things.” Well, I don’t know if that’s really true or not, but it kind of was in my mind. I asked, “How can you live on bologna every day?” “I like bologna,” he answered again. I told him, “You must.” I mean, bologna; that’s all he had was bologna with ketchup on it. That’s what he ate all the time.

You know, you really can’t live on that. Think about it, folks. A lot of people out there are just living on baloney. Those bulls of Bashan, you know the seed that they’re putting in that old cow is bringing it to death and destruction. But we know the Sower went forth to sow and the Man-child Jesus went forth to sow the seed, and that seed that He sowed in our hearts will bring forth Himself, 30-, 60- and 100-fold. This is what we’re looking forward to, right? And so we have to not depart from the true Word of God for somebody’s baloney.

I want to share another experience when I first came to Pensacola. I was invited to quite a few churches and some strange things started happening. In this one instance, I walked in at the back of the church and was looking down front as I was walking in. Down in front, a pastor was standing, facing me and there was a woman who was standing and facing him. Suddenly this woman wheeled around and pointed her finger right at me. She never saw me enter because she was looking the other way at this pastor as I walked in. And she started prophesying. And I’ll tell you, she went on prophesying for a while. It seemed like a long time because I was kind of nervous in front of people in situations like that, so I just kind of froze and looked at her.

She had her finger pointed right at my nose and she started prophesying at me. Well, I didn’t know what the Lord had planned, but He planned to open a door for me, and He used this woman, who’d never been in this church before in her life and she told me later she never went back there either. But she prophesied at me and she said, “I’ve never seen the Word of God in anybody like I see it in that man right there.” Then she went on to prophesy about what I was going to do and so forth. Well, it kind of opened the door because everybody was paying attention to me then including the pastor. They were probably thinking, “Who’s this guy?” Well, I’m a nobody and I like it that way.

But anyway, the pastor started asking me questions, and he didn’t have a real deep love of the Word or knowledge of the Word. He was basically leading these poor people astray, just like a Saul leadership.

Eventually, we came to find out that he was in fornication with some of the people who were in his mission and that he was cavorting with his secretary. He was also cheating people by convincing them he needed their money in order to support this mission and telling them lies. Their water was turned off one time while I was there; they came and turned the water off, but he went out there and turned it back on. He did the same thing with the electricity. So he was just a dishonest person.

But the poor people were thinking this was normal Christianity, especially people in the mission who were first coming to know the Lord and then got this guy for an example. And I thought, “God help them.” Well, anyway because of this prophecy, God was opening a door for me to preach and teach, and I did. I started preaching and teaching and God was delivering the people there and they were becoming happy. This pastor didn’t teach about baptism; it just wasn’t very important to him, so I taught them about baptism and baptized almost the whole church while I was there. The pastor had come out of a very famous rock band, so he was used to being charismatic. He was gifted in song and the guitar, so it was easy for people to follow him.

But when the people started hearing the Word, some of them became kind of excited, you know, and he could see that he was losing his grip on them. And I felt like some of that jealousy that was between Saul, or in Saul for David was showing up. As a matter of fact, the Lord spoke to this man, who was a prophet of sorts. He came and told me, “The Lord spoke to me. He said, “I’m Saul and you’re David.” He said this to me three times. So the pastor finally asked me, “What does this mean?” And I gave him something, but I didn’t feel like the Lord wanted me to give him everything, so I didn’t tell him everything that I knew and the Lord was teaching me through this experience, too.

I asked the Lord one time, “Lord, what do you want me to do with this guy?” Because he was a mess and he was leading these poor people. They were thinking it’s normal to do some of those things and he was teaching them wrong. And I asked the Lord, “Lord, what do you want me to do about him?” He said, “Nothing. Let the Philistines take him out.” That’s what he told me, just as clear as a bell. And I said, “Oh, okay. You know, he’s a Saul.” I guess that’s what happened to Saul; letting the Philistines take him out represents, of course, his old man taking him out.

It was really strange one time because two of the ladies in that church had the exact same dream about this man and how he was basically going to get taken out. They saw him going down the interstate and running off the road and into the water, and he was drowning in his vehicle in the water. And they saw me there and I went out in the water, trying to get the door open to get the guy out of the vehicle to save him but I couldn’t get him out. That was exactly what happened. I mean, I was trying to save the guy. I was trying to share with him the Word. I was trying to show him the ways of Christianity and show him the ways of faith. He would call me wise Soloman. He would catch on to some things, but it wasn’t important enough to him. He wouldn’t cease doing his little conniving things in the background.

And so I kept praying for him, working, trying to help him to see through it and help him to be delivered, but many things happened there. In the mission, for instance, we cast out a lot of demons. I never saw so many demons to be cast out in a group of people in all my life. I learned that missions are a place for a lot of people who come in off the road, and who have problems and need help. And so we ended up casting out a lot of demons. Some very supernatural things happened there. But the Lord told me that this man was a Saul. And, you know, I started more and more taking over the ministry teaching. I was teaching more and more and he taught less and less. I asked him one time, “Aren’t you going to teach anymore?” He said, “No, I just feel kind of dried up.” I knew that the Lord was doing this so that I could help these people.

It was the same situation with Saul and David. Saul wasn’t ready to go out there and take on the giants, but he was glad that David was taking care of it. But then when the women started singing their songs and saying, Saul hath slain his thousands, And David his ten thousands (1Sa.18:7), Saul became jealous. The Bible says he eyed David from that day and forward (9). He was worried about this guy taking over the kingdom, which was God’s plan. And it happened because Saul was not leading the people to crucify the Amalekites and Saul refused to put to death Agag, who was the head of the corporate body of the beast, the old man, and so, because of that, God moved on and chose David and anointed him.

I had some other instances of the same thing. During that time, some of those people moved on, and some of them came and fellowshipped with us. We taught them, we shared with them, and so on. This man moved to another town and he prophesied that I was supposed to come over there and teach leaders in his particular building, but I just began to pray that God would open people’s eyes. I did it in the first church in this particular town.

I prayed, “Lord, open the people’s eyes. Help them to see that this man is not who they think he is.” God answered that prayer. People had visions and dreams of this man. One man, out of whom I cast 12 demons, literally had supernatural strength. He came in as an alcoholic when I was preaching and he was immediately delivered and totally sobered up. He got saved, but then he started continuing with some of his old habits and began watching pornography. Then these demons entered into him and he almost killed this pastor and his secretary. He ran the deacon through one of those big plate glass doors and sent him to the hospital. The demons just manifested in this guy.

The pastor was in the mission when this happened, along with a lot of other people. He was leading them astray and I was casting demons out, praying for the people, helping the people along. So I asked the Lord to show people who this pastor really was. Besides the two women who had the exact same dream I shared, another woman had a dream that she saw this man outside the window and he was trying to gain pity from her because he was outside in the cold and so on. So she went to the church window and opened it, and when he came in he was a dragon. And the Lord impressed her to go down to the library and look up the man’s name, which she did and found out that his last name meant “dragon,” amazingly.

And then that guy who had all the demons also got a vision. He saw a man standing behind the pulpit, speaking into the microphone, and the man was a serpent and all the people were going to sleep. When God started showing people all these dreams and visions they started departing from him. But that pastor just went over to another city and did the same thing, and I prayed that God would open the people’s eyes there, too. Then the same thing happened. The church there fell all apart. I tell you, folks, God’s people are in bondage. We need to pray for God’s people that He will open their eyes and help them to see that some of them are sitting underneath Saul ministries. They need to come out from among them and be separate (2 Corinthians 6:17).

After this, the same thing happened to me a couple more times. For instance, I was invited to another church, a non-spirit-filled denomination. I was invited there to share where I met the pastor and his wife in a home school meeting. I told him, “Hey, you don’t even know what I believe.” He said, “Well, I know you told me you preach discipleship.” I said, “Yes, that’s true.” So he invited me over there and I was very graceful with them. You know, you have to be careful and help people to try to receive some things from the Lord.

So, anyway, while I was there fellowshipping, there were an awful lot of sick people there because they really didn’t believe in divine healing or deliverance. They didn’t believe in any of those things, thinking that all passed away. So, essentially, I was sharing with people and I prayed for some after they gained knowledge. I went to their Sunday schools and shared things with them there too. They asked questions and I shared my experiences and shared words with them and so on. It worked out to where we were able to pray for a few people in that church who received healing and we cast out some demons. The elders, of course, did not believe in these kinds of things and didn’t believe in being filled with the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

My wife, for instance, went to one of their ladies’ meetings. She saw a vision of one of the women there and in the vision, the woman had a very angry face. My wife knew it wasn’t physical, she knew it was spiritual. She said she knew that woman had a demon of anger. And so they started going around the room testifying and when this woman’s turn came, she stood up and said, “I just don’t understand why I’m so angry,” as a confirmation to my wife. So my wife told the woman, “Well, I’m going to get my husband to call you. I think he can help you.” The woman said, “Okay.” When my wife came home, she told me about it. She said the woman had a crippled foot and that she was full of this anger. So I called her up and I was very careful because, of course, they don’t get training in that regard. I just shared with her that, “My wife saw a demon in you. This anger that you’re having a problem with is a demon spirit.”

Thankfully, this lady was very young in this religion. She hadn’t been heavily indoctrinated so she was open to the truth. Anyway, she came to our home and we commanded the demon to come out. The demon came out and she felt the deliverance. Then we told her that the Lord also wanted to heal her foot. We prayed for her foot and God healed her foot. We prayed for her to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit and she received it. She started speaking in tongues; it was in Hebrew, and I recognized it as Hebrew and wrote it down and I made sure I was getting the interpretation right.

I went to the Concordance and brought back to her what she had said. She was actually prophesying concerning her family and it was a very good prophecy. She was just delighted that she had received all this, and that all this blessing came upon her. And I said to her, “You know, it would probably not be a good thing for you to go back and tell the elders about this.” In this particular church, the elders had equal authority and the pastor was an elder. And I warned her that it probably wouldn’t work out well, but she was just overflowing. It kind of reminded me of when Jesus said, “Now don’t go and say anything to anyone,” and, of course, he went and just blabbed it everywhere (Luke 5:12-15). Jesus couldn’t even go into the town because everybody knew Him.

Well, she did just that. She was working part-time at the bookstore in this church, and when some of the ladies who were there were talking to her, she told this great, wondrous thing that God had done for her. Those ladies went right to the pastor and told the pastor and the elders and so on. This was on top of other healings and deliverances we had done, so the elders decided they were going to call me on the carpet. There were five elders there and they had made an appointment for me to come and they were going to grill me on what I was teaching.

One of the things they asked me about was joining a church. I had explained to some of these people, “No, you don’t join a church. You’re baptized into the body of Christ. It’s not such a physical thing as that. Nobody can hire you, nobody can fire you. You’re born into the Body of Christ and there is no joining a church.” I shared a few other things like the baptism of the Holy Spirit and healing and deliverance. They had objections to all these things and so they started asking me, “Why are you teaching this?” and “Why are you teaching that?” It was the Sauls, the bulls of Bashan around me, and I just backed everything up with Scripture. I said, “Well, I teach it because it’s in the Bible.” I told them, “This is what it says about being filled with the Holy Spirit. This is what the Bible says about casting out demons. This is what the Bible says about joining a church. This is what the Bible says about baptism.”

They kept asking one question right after another and I just kept giving them Biblical truths. They were keeping the minutes of the meeting and I found out it made them look so bad that they were trying to change them afterward, but one of the elders spoke up and said, “No, you can’t do that. That’s dishonest, that’s lying. This is what happened.” They were trying to change it and he wouldn’t let them change it.

Even though I gave them all completely Scriptural answers, they didn’t agree. They didn’t use any Scripture, but they didn’t agree. And at the end of the meeting they said, “Well, here’s what we want you to do. We either want you to quit teaching these things” (I was not teaching there; it was people from their assembly coming to our meetings and I was teaching them there.) They said, “We either want you to quit teaching our people this or we want you to separate.” I said, “Well, I’ll tell you what, give me another week and I will go to the Lord to find out how to answer you.” I didn’t say “what” to answer them, I said “how” to answer them.

A week later, they called me back on the carpet and asked, “What’s your answer?” I said, “Well, I did seek the Lord and I found out how to answer you. I want to share with you why I teach this, this, this and this.” I just started giving verses, verses, and more verses, just overwhelming them with verses and responsibility. Because when you give verses to people who say they’re Christian leaders, but they don’t act according to the Word of God and they don’t believe the Word of God when they can’t even back it up with the Word of God, you’re making them responsible.

At the end of the meeting they just were angry. One of the elders jumped up and said, We thought you were going to tell us yes or no if you were going to stop or not. No, I said I would ask God how to answer you and I am doing that so please sit down and let me finish. This was an elder whom I had prayed for and he had been healed.

I had commented to him about their long list of sick people and asked why the elders didn’t pray for them in faith as the bible commands. He said, “Well, why don’t you take me and let’s go do this?” So I went with him. We prayed over three people in the assembly and they were healed, and he witnessed this. He asked me to pray over him to receive the Holy Spirit.

Another elder, whose wife had run off with a so-called charismatic leader who believed in speaking in tongues, and so he was angry about that. And I pacified him a little bit. I just told him, “No, it was wrong; it was an evil thing that this man did. That doesn’t say that he was walking in the Lord at all and I don’t blame you for being hurt about it.”

But, despite all that, these elders were all ganging up on me while I was just giving them Scriptural answers. They finally ended up saying, “Look, we just want you to stop teaching these things.” And I replied, “I can’t do that. I can tell you right now I’m not going to back away from the Word of God, not one iota.” They said, “Then we want you to separate from us.” I answered, “Okay, well, it was your decision, not mine.” So I went to the door of the church while the elders watched me. I kicked my shoes against the frame of the doorway and shook the dust off my feet, just exactly the way Acts 13:51 says to do.

A very short time later their denomination decided that this pastor was not fit to be a pastor. They made him, a basketball coach instead of a pastor. Well, then the church was floundering because they were using their elders, who didn’t know the Word of God in the first place, to teach them. Pretty soon people just started leaving; it fizzled and the doors closed. Then they sold the church buildings and grounds to some people who, very fitly made a large children’s nursery out of it. So that was the second time I was in a church, sharing truth, and God decided just to close the doors. He made them responsible and they rebelled against the Word. These were Saul ministries.

I’m telling you a lot of these Saul ministries are going to close down because people are going to come out of them. They’re going to see through them, they’re going to see that they’re dead. I’m talking about anybody with eyes to see and ears to hear are going to see that they’re dead churches and the people who stay are going to be dead. Go into one of these old mainline denominational churches and look around. Usually it’s just old people stuck in their ways and the younger generation has moved on. Remember, Babylon is going to be full of all these doleful creatures (Isaiah 13:21), in other words, unclean beasts. Revelation 18:2 speaks of the same thing. Ultimately, it’s going to be full of demons.

You need to accept the truth and come out from among them and follow Jesus because this whole thing is going to die, decay and fall all to pieces. It’s going to get worse and worse and worse. Two of those men later repented but it was too late. Their church was gone. God just scattered it and tore it all to pieces. Those two men later contacted me and repented for what they’d done. They realized that there was dishonesty there, that they were trying to change the minutes of the meeting in order to make it look like they were justified in running me off. They were telling lies to the people about me, but God didn’t let them get away with it. He tore that whole thing down. The same thing happened to another church of the same denomination after that. After I was there, and share testimonies before their assembly I saw the people loved it but the elders did not and then whole thing shut down.

When Jesus came, He shared the truths that were the Word of God. It made the people responsible. He told those Pharisees and Sadducees, If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no excuse for their sin (Joh.15:22). What God did with those people is he scattered them, which was probably very good for them. He took away even that which they did have, as it says in Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that which he hath.

When I was going to this elders meeting, God gave me these verses when I asked Him, “Lord, what are You going to do in this thing? All these people are coming against me. What are you going to do? Show me, Lord.” Then I opened the Bible and my finger came down right on this verse: (Eze.2:6) And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briars and thorns are with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they are a rebellious house. And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forebear; for they are most rebellious.

And He goes on to speak about eating the roll of the book. Then I said, “Okay, Lord. Would you give me one more confirmation of this?” When I flipped my Bible open and stuck my finger down again, I saw this: (Jer.1:17) Thou therefore gird up thy loins, and arise, and speak unto them all that I command thee: be not dismayed at them, lest I dismay thee before them. (18) For, behold, I have made thee this day a fortified city, and an iron pillar, and brazen walls, against the whole land, against the kings of Judah, against the princes thereof, against the priests thereof, and against the people of the land. (19) And they shall fight against thee; but they shall not prevail against thee: for I am with thee, saith the Lord, to deliver thee.

Well, I’ll tell you, I was pumped up and ready for that meeting and the Word of God was just going forth and it was making them responsible. God did not let them get away with what they did. He tore their little church fellowship all to pieces. God had demonstrated healing, and deliverance, and He had demonstrated the baptism of the Holy Spirit but they denied the Word over and over and over. They had never heard it so plainly, I’m sure. God just tore that Saul ministry down, though some of those people moved on to our David ministry. He did this with me four times back then and a few times since.

Church after church all closed down. And, you know what, I think it was a sign of things to come. I think in itself it wasn’t all that significant. These churches were not churches; they were fakes. They didn’t teach the Word of God. They had a form of godliness, but … denied the power thereof (2Ti.3:5). The Bible says from these also turn away (5). And, thank God, some people had an opportunity to do that, either because the doors closed or because they saw it was no good and they left first, one or the other. But God did His will there and He helped some people.

Folks, we’re looking at the same thing happening all around us in Christianity. They’re becoming more and more corrupt. They’re falling to pieces and falling into all kinds of sin, corruption, and false silly doctrines, but some people are beginning to realize that something is wrong. I’m talking about anybody who has eyes to see. The out-of-church movement is as great as it’s ever been right now. People are coming out from among them. They’re studying the Word of God for themselves and I praise God for it. I hope you are seeing that and I hope you’re praying and asking God to show you in the Word. You don’t need to do anything but sit down and read God’s Word to see what the truth is and to see what a true, Scriptural assembly is supposed to look like. Follow God, friends. Don’t follow these dead denominations or non-denominational denominations.

 

 

Prophecies to Denominations

Thomas Gibson Prophecies

2003 01 31 Book 1

For thus saith the Lord. Do not despair. I am going throughout the churches of America to see who will put My Name first, who will put the salvation by the Blood of the Lamb above all else. Those who do so will be blessed by the Lord above; but those who do not will be condemned by Me. Do not turn to the world or the world's ways. Do not listen to the ways of many who compromise My gospel. Those who turn away from the compromising position of the worldly church will be blessed by Me. Those who continue in the work of compromising My Word will be condemned! Do not doubt this word.

I am going throughout the world and throughout the churches in America to see who will put me first. It is time that the worldliness be burned out of the church! It is time to see that God is placed first above all things. There is power in the name of Jesus. Those who walk in that power are walking with Me. Those who do not walk in that power are walking with the world. Not only will I turn away from godless churches, but I will turn to those who are truly serving Me in truth and power, and I will give them a protection in this time. For coming soon is a persecution and a strong attack against My people. Not only that but there is coming trouble to America's shores. I will protect and guide My people through this time. Do not partake in those churches and religious organizations who will not listen to the Word of God and follow it in a complete way.

2003 03 05 Book 1

For thus says the Lord. I am that I am. I have created one church, one Bible, and one truth. Therefore, all who profess to believe in Me must believe to one truth, one God, and one church. Where do we find one church? Where? Why are there so many organizations that use My Name and do not bow to the will of God for one church? In My Word I condemned factions and denominations or sects of My church. You will find it in 1 Corinthians 1. Obey My Word now! Return to the days of the Book of Acts where My people were one; humbling themselves under the mighty hand of God. Turn away from the sins that you have. Destroy your divisions of Me. Become a local church that will not, under any circumstances, change or alter what the Bible says. Leave any church that will not confess that God is all and they are nothing. Return to the humility of the first-century church. Look at what My Word says and believe it; not what some theologian interprets. Stand for all of God's Word and lead the world to Christ!

2003 06 18 Book 2

For thus says the Lord. I am the One who you should be worshipping. I am the One who you should be paying attention to. I am the One who is in control of everything. Those who stand for their denomination, those who stand for their beliefs separate from the Bible, those who stand for their money-organized churches; will stand for the world and I will not be their help when the troubles and denominational fights begin. Yes, there will be fights between churches, fights within churches, and fights between those within the churches and those without.

I am calling My people to stand for peace and love even to love those who are wrong and bring a Spirit of love to those who persecute them. I am calling My people to stand for peace and not fight at this time. For those who fight will lose; and those who will not fight but stand in love for the truth of the Bible will be raised up victorious by Myself in the end. Stand and know that troubled times are coming. Stand and know that there is a way of the world which will lead to sin within the churches. Stand and know that there is a way of God which will lead to truth without man-made, money-organized, churches. So says the Lord.

2003 11 25 Book 1

I cry for My people who are deceived by such a wicked world. So many have tried to make the church look good in the eyes of the world by making the church worldly. So much has been done by these people that My church looks more like the world than Me. I have become strengthened by those who will stand against the worldliness that is in the church always wanting to be so worldly that they have gone away from Me. See in the Word how powerful My church was: healing, miracles on a regular time. But now how many are healed, how many miracles, how many signs and wonders? When they come back to Me, I will come again in signs, wonders, and mighty deeds.

2004 01 28 Book 1

For thus says the Lord. My people who are tormented by unbelievers within the churches are truly those who are My witnesses in all the land. For when those who are within the churches will not bow down and serve the Master, Jesus; then truly sin has come unto the churches. I seek those who will bow down and humble themselves and obey the Spirit of God.

2004 02 8 Book 1

My true church is not a denomination, but rather it is My people gathering into a local congregation with a name that represents the local area. Beyond this is sin. For if one creates a division with Christ, one creates a division of My people which is wickedness.

2004 02 8 Book 2

Thus saith the Lord. Those churches who are truly not part of division-making shall be blessed by Me. Those churches who will not stand as a true and separate church from divisions (denominations) shall be removed. I will no longer have divisions within My body. They shall be removed. I will do this in the coming years.

2004 03 27 Book 1

How many people, says the Lord, have I called out of My church to begin a teaching of My power? They should have been able to learn this within the church, but they could not because the church has preached against My power! I said in My Word, that you shall do greater miracles than I did [John 14:12] Why is this not seen? Because the church preaches worldly man-made power and not Godly power through fasting and prayer!!

2004 04 23 Book 1

There are many who walk in pride in the church thinking that they are someone important who will be used in the coming revival. But no! I will use the humble ones who are not part of the great organized man-made church. For the man-made man-organized church will not partake of what is to come. For what is to come must come through the unhindered move of the Holy Spirit. Anything else would taint the move of God. So says the Lord God.

2004 05 06. Book 1

Thus says the Lord. Did I not command My people to submit to the leading of the Holy Spirit? Why then do I find man-organized man-controlled organizations who call themselves by My Name? In the Book of Acts I saw the multitudes bow down and serve Me. But here in this world we now have an organization that is answerable to itself and the votes of its members.

Blasphemy! Great blasphemy!! So says the Lord!